We have been actively discussing this for a while. This is one of the key reasons for the dev blog, we are asking you guys for your thoughts.

And I see more and more people ask about this. So that is good to see.

Goons hate someone. They place a 10 billion bounty on them. That person is flying a freighter, somewhere in high sec. The ship has a load of say, 700M, which is well below the usual safe threshold of 1 billion to make it profitable to gank a freighter. At current prices that ship is worth about 1.5 billion. That makes the payout of the bounty about 300M, plus the potential payoff of the payload of the freighter makes the gank profitable.

Or another scenario. Same victim wants to fly a Marauder in missions. Hull cost is about 800M. Now, you tack on T2 rigs, some faction stuff, and you can easily hit 2 billion in value. The bounty payout is 400M, and you can gank a mission boat in 0.5 space with 2-3 Tornados. Suddenly, the mission runner who usually is ignored by gankers, will ALWAYS be attacked.

With the existing system, the average ganker would say, look at a PvE BS and say, nah, since I am getting no payout, and unsure the nice modules will drop, so not worth it.
Now, not only is that person flagged as they stroll through the gate, ALL gankers will pounce, since the bounty guarantees that at worst they will recover their losses, and the modules are gravy.

In regards to the bounty payout for blowing up someone's pod - not only include in your calculation the cost of implants, but also the cost of the clone itself.

And you wonder why people post with alts.

To be fair, they will kind of have to co-operate and choose to fly ships that generate high enough pay-outs to have people try to cash in the bounty on their headsGǪ but other than that, yes.

This is vague. Whenever possible, please use plain English (bearing in mind your audiences' background).

Putting the minimum bounty at 100K is too low imo, it will be abused.
Try 50mil or above for personal bounties to cut down on the joyriders.

just aslong as you can not profit from this (being the peron who has a bounty on him in FW)

then cool with me...
otherwise it could be expoilted

Assumption(s) is the mother of all fuckups.
It's was a fairly important point in the bounty system for CCP to clarify and that wasn't explained with clarity.

Bounties have NO EFFECT ON WHO CAN BE ATTACKED LEGALLY WHERE.

I'm not sure either of you "gets it." Do the math. Do you have any idea what kind of bounty you'd have to place to make it worth it for a single gank? Remember, the gankers get paid only a portion of the total. So that portion must equal or exceed the cost of the gank.

But here's the thing, it doesn't end there. Now the ganked player has kill rights on all of the gankers.

Or better yet, he sets up his own alts to get the bounty payout by getting a noob alt to kill his insured ship in some quiet corner of null sec.

You're forgetting that a pilot with a bounty on his head is highly unlikely to fit officer mods and such. But you keep dreaming of that awesome kill.

I forsee a future where every EvE player has a bounty on their heads...

I am afraid you missed the point, pretty much completely. There is a financial incentive at that point to hound the person out of the game, by whatever means.

What I am saying is that once you've placed a bounty on someone, you can get all or at least some of that money back if you drive them out of the game, by whatever mechanism.

did you read the blog?

"This immediately puts a Suspect Flag on the target, thus allowing you and others in your vicinity to attack the target. If the target player is killed while under a Suspect flag, then the kill right is GÇÿspentGÇÖ. If the target manages to escape and the Suspect flag timer (15 minutes) lapses, the kill right is still available to be purchased (activated) later on."

as you can see if the person you got the kill right for evades death, then the kill right can be reclaimed again, untill it either expires or the bugger is dead

It's the "kill right is still available to be purchased (activated) later on" that DaReaper was talking about. When it can happen any time during the next 30 days. How is it easily gamed? Why would blowing up your character in a shuttle change anything?

To combat this, the flagging that comes from buying a kill right should expire when the target switches ships. Moves some more weight to the problems of exactly what happens to money spent on purchased kill rights that fail to be executed upon, but that problem already needs to be solved regardless.

Not if what you want to achieve is the complete and utter eradication of hisec "griefing". The system CCP is coming up with is perfect for that purpose.

So.... OK if good players are less likely too be ransomed according to you. Now here comes my question. Are people who fell victims to Hulkagedon and the transporter-freighter hunts all people that had it comming? Sorry to say it seems that you are just giving more weapons to destroy the game to players that invest time in the game. People who enjoy security and stay oout of low sec for a reasson.

In reality, these changes make it so undesirable for anyone but the most dedicated person to spend their time doing any of these things that in effect he'll be getting as close to hello kitty online as he can, without actually removing aggression or griefing entirely.

I'm not so sure about this. Sure the kill rights can be traded, but its only valid for 15 mins. Once your suspect flag gets tripped you will get a flag appearing, and no doubt an accompanying notification. Unless you are unfortunate enough to be near a bunch of insta-lockers you should be able to escape and either bounce safe spots, or some such until the flag has expired. Once this has happened that kill right is wiped.

At this moment in time, no. You also won't be able to place Bounty on DUST characters. I can't speak for the future however.

Silly wabbit, those aren't loopholes, those are key features.

Karl Hobb, please list the loopholes that you find blatant in the killrights system. I will answer you the best I can.

Karl Hobb, since no one has yet, i'll take a stab....

Of course we read the devblog feedback threads. To suggest otherwise is kind of insulting. We reply to some things to clarify, we reply to other things to have a back and forth discussion, but mostly we just read the discussion that is happening between players. It does help us a lot, so please keep posting even when you don't see devs replying.

I wanted you to clarify which "loopholes" you were referring to, because several things have been called out as "loopholes" in the thread (most of them wrongly so).

Transfering kill rights directly is still on the agenda, but we could not fit both into the winter expansion.

We are using the suspect flag for 2 reasons: One is to allow your fleet to help you with your revenge. Two is that we are trying to move away from single player to single player aggression flags, as you can see with the new crimewatch mechanics.

I don't know about you, but I would probably give my kill-rights free to anyone who wishes it. The problem is the alt blowing up the main to get rid of the kill-right though.

Suppose a target with multiple killrights is being smacked on and is destroyed. Are all kill-rights gone then? Or just one?

- Technically eliminate 1x1 flagging from the software.

Good point, I think its a tech decision, to eliminate LE from the software.

All they have to do is make kill rights result in a Limited Engagement between the owner of the kill rights (can be player OR corporation) and the target. That's it. If they were to do that, then every single ******* person would get on board with these changes. It would be the best thing ever. Literally.

The Suspect flag option is not set in stone, but at least right now the order of options is: limited engagement < corp engagement < suspect flag < fleet engagement. With the last one not being possible right now for technical reasons, we chose what we feel is the next best one (suspect flag).

Which is why you want to be smart about when and where to activate it.